# Forth 200x Standards Committee Sep 6-8 2017 Minutes

## Attendance

- Howerd Oakford (voted by the committee to be full member)
- Sergey Baranov
- Jermaine Davies (Observer)
- Willem Botha
- Stephen Pelc
- Leon Wagner
- Andrew Haley
- Anton Ertl
- Bernd Paysan
- Gerald Wodni
- Paul E. Bennet
- Ulrich Hoffmann (from Wednesday 16:00)
- Peter Knaggs (from Thursday 9:00)

Notetakers: SB AE PK

## Procedures

Discussion about what to do with proposals on forth-standard.org, and
what to do with the old channels (mailing list and comp.lang.forth).

The proposal process moves to http://forth-standard.org.  New
proposals need to be made only there, and proposals elsewhere are no
longer accepted as official.  10Y:0N:0A

The committee can distinguish unfinished, but promising proposals as
"committee-supported proposal".

## Reports

Have libraries for the memory access proposals (both of them)  **SP/LW/BP**  
and see what sticks  10Y:0:0

## Proposals

### a) CS-DROP
some revision necessary **UH/AE**

### b) Unsigned double naming convention
Proposal dead, make proposal for destandardizing "123."  **AE**

### d) Quotations

see CfVs

## CfVs

Quotations: 11Y:0N:1A

## Workshops

### a) Publications issues

Discussion.  Change the legal notice to make it clearer that
Forth-2012 is something more solid than mere drafts.  **LW**  
Add features to Forth-standard.org **GW**  
Publish source on Github **PK**  

### b) Recognizers

Bikeshedding discussion on names, resulting in suggested name changes
Promote to committe-supported proposal: is on the right track but
needs more work; suggest name changes   10Y:0:1A  **BP Matthias Trute**  
Work on stack handling   **BP**

### c) Single-XT

Lively discussion.  
E.g., should "LOCATE I" show the location of I or is it allowed to show
the location of R@?  
FIND-NAME FIND-NAME-IN proposal   **AE**  
FIND-XT proposal                  **SP**

### d) Directories

Presentation and discussion with some progress   **GW**

### e) multi-tasking

Presentation.  Work towards proposal  **AH**

### f) sockets

Discussion  **GW**

### g) i18n

Presentation, discussion and suggested changes  **SP**  
language and country codes **BP/PK**

### h) S\" and S" from file

Move interpretation semantics to core/core-ext versions 11Y:0:0  
Draft the change: **AE**

### i) remove ambiguous conditions

Make the exception wordset mandatory 12Y:0:0  
Draft change  **AE**

Turn ambiguous condition in 3.4 into "possibly do system-specific
recognizers; when unsuccessful, perform -13 throw"  12Y:0:0  
  Rewording AE/UH 11Y:0N:1A

For the ambiguous condition in 3.4.1, perform -18 throw.  12Y:0:0  
  Rewording **LW/UH**

3.3.3 stay ambiguous.  Mention it explicitly **PK**  11Y:0:0  
Rationale Draft by AE  12Y:0:0

3.3.3.1 stay ambiguous  11Y:0:0  
Rationale Draft by AE  12Y:0:0

argument type incompatible with specified input parameter: keep it,
remove the example. **UH**    12Y:0:0

### j) compilation (together with c)

Presentation and some discussion


## Matters arising

Discussion of proposals:

Implementations requiring BOTH 32 bit single floats and 64 bit double floats.
(forth-standard.org zhtoor).
  response on part of the committee **GW**

The value of STATE should be restored 
(forth-standard.org AlexDyachenko).
  No committee response for now  AE

Drop Double Number Input (comp.lang.forth, Matthias Trute).
  Unlikely to find consenus in the foreseeable future  **AE**

Electronic Meeting
  Dec 14th 19h CET 18h UTC 10h PST